Welcome to the Habitat Design Project!
We want to welcome you to the MoonMars Workshop Habitat Design group. Defining and designing habitats for human space travellers is certainly not an easy task, and there are a lot of things many people never thought about. Therefore we want to get your ideas on what such a base e.g. on the Moon could look like and what systems and subsystems need to be considered for mission success. But we also want to make as many people as possible aware of current and future exploration, that's why we'll work on an open, public habitat design contest in the first step, to be defined by you within these forums and at SGC 2007.
We are looking forward to working with you and get all this off the ground!
Juergen & Alex
(MMW Habitat Design Co-Leaders)
This project include the habitation or human base on the moon.
This project become easy with the built of International Lunar Way Station(ILWS).
To carry out the mission on moon we have to first reach on ILWS from their in new spacecraft ( specially design for transportation between ILWS and moon) we will reach on lunar base.
The controlling of lunar base project will take place from earth station and ILWS.
In the beginning ot this project the astronauts can’t live on the moon so they will do up-down daily form ILWS. No need to come back on earth in short period of time.
There are some basic needs that the moon habitat would have to take care of if this were any sort of long-term living arrangement. The most basic fundamentals include:
• Breathable air
• Water
• Food
• Pressurized shelter
• Power
It would be ideal to get as much of these resources as possible from the moon itself, because shipping costs to the moon are unbelievable. you want to carry as little as possible to the moon and manufacture as much as you can once you get there.
• Obtaining breathable air, in the form of oxygen, is fairly easy on the moon. The soil on the moon contains oxygen, which can be harvested using heat and electricity..
• Water is trickier. There is now some evidence that there may be water, in the form of buried ice that has collected at the south pole of the moon. If so, water mining might be possible, and it would solve a lot of problems. Water is necessary for drinking and irrigation, and can also be converted to hydrogen and oxygen for use as rocket fuel.
• If water is not available on the moon, it must be imported from Earth. One way to do that would be to ship liquid hydrogen from the earth to the moon, and then react it with oxygen from the moon's soil to create water. Since water molecules are 67 percent oxygen and 33 percent hydrogen by weight, this might be the cheapest way to get water to the moon. As a side-benefit, the hydrogen can react with oxygen in a fuel cell to create electricity as it creates water.
• Food is also a problem. One person eats about 450 pounds of dehydrated food per year. A whole colony of people would require tons of food. The first thought that anyone on Earth would have is, "Grow the food on the moon." We think that way because here on Earth, chemicals like carbon and nitrogen are freely available in the atmosphere, and minerals are freely available in the Earth’s soil. A ton of wheat is made up of a ton of carbon, nitrogen, oxygen, hydrogen, potassium, phosphorous, and so on. To grow a ton of wheat, you will have to import all the chemicals not readily available on the moon. Once the first crop is in, and as long as the colony's population is stable, then the chemicals can be reused in a natural cycle. The plant grows, a person eats it, and the person excretes it as solid waste, liquid waste and carbon dioxide in the breath. These waste products then nourish the next batch of plants. But you still have to get tons of food or chemicals to the moon to start the cycle.
• In the shelter category, it is likely that the first shelters will be inflatable structures imported from Earth, but a lot of research has been done on the possibility of building structures from ceramics and metals created on the moon.
• Power on the moon is an interesting challenge. It would probably be possible to manufacture solar cells on the moon, but sunlight is available only part of the time. As mentioned previously, hydrogen and oxygen can react in a fuel cell to create electricity. Nuclear power is another possibility, using uranium mined on the moon..
well ashish, that was the awesome idea n i would like to discuss something related to oxygen requirement. as it has been discussed about transportation of hydrogen and then its reaction with oxygen presenrt in soli of moon, on the other hand, it has been disccussed about growing crops there only. is there any use of carring hydrogen there???? because if we'll be growing crops there, they will be releasinf oxygen in the atmosphere and it will also solve the problem of the transportation of hydrogen and reaction part. wat do u say???????
As necessary as all those components are, people will be asking about the use of the hab apart from simple shelter. If we want to take this to a more serious level, we should incorporate an element of scientific research that can be conducted in or at the hab.
This has several considerations:
1) It gives the mission a multifaceted direction, which I think is desirable.
2) It helps psychologically in the sense that it gives the inhabitants a purpose other than to simply survive.
guys,
you've surely head of Mars Society's habs... FMARS, MDRS, etc.
They may be interesting for us to keep in background as first drafts of what we're trying to achieve here.
some docs:
http://engineering.marssociety.com/eng06.html
in particular some charts of the hab:
http://engineering.marssociety.com/documents/MDRSOpsManualCurrent.html
Cheers,
Ricardo
This is probably way ahead of the game but......Does anybody know how much hydro-electric power could be generated by an indoor "river"? Some type of water feature could have a great effect on human psych, though obviously it would have to be compartmentalized into some kind of rec. area. The moist air would be hazardous to electronics and the like, but an Earth-like oasis would be beloved by the crews, and be a selling point to future space tourists. Even if this hydro power could power some subsystems, or one specific application it would have a large impact. I don't believe hydro power will require a lot of maintenance either.
this is an eccelent idea for fung shue
plus just the sound of water moving has a calming effect on the human mind
mabe in a room with birds and grasshoppers and flowers and bees
this would create a zone of habitat
also i was thinkin of a skateboeard park
this would be awsome on the moon with less gravity
plus our generation (at least here in the states)
it is a big thing
a sk-8 park would be a place of leasure
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one kind word can warm 3 winter months
japanese proverb
ok if you use hrdroponics
all you need is water and minerals
and as i said in earlier years
you should use spirulinna
is has everything we need eccept citrus
and we can bring seeds and grow citrus on the moon
plus with hydroponics we could grow a large variety of foods
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one kind word can warm 3 winter months
japanese proverb
I would like to add that hydoponics is a great idea but the use of water can still be saved that we make use of Aeroponics. It is another branch of hydrponics with the effect that it only spray mist of minerals required for the plant to grow. I am sure you will know of that. In hydroponics though the water can be recycled but still the wastage cannot be minimized. What do you think you can google aeroponics and check it out
ok on the moon we have an abundance of titanium
so it could be used for habitat support along with mud
(similar to adobe structure in the southwest north america)
once we get some structures built
we can start industrial production of titanium
then we can make our ships on the moon
greatly reducing the cost of production
especially for our interplanetary goals
mabe we could even be building our "orion" style ships
once we have the plan
we may expliot the resources
or utilize them
i actually saw the video of the titanium deposits
they are huge
so we could build structures and or supports
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one kind word can warm 3 winter months
japanese proverb
Well i would like to talk about initial habitation. Since we are talking of a permanent colony on moon, we might as well set up a temporary base on it first for initial inspection, mining of lunar regolith and monitoring the telepresence robots that will initiall operate on the lunar surface.
I am talking of inflatabale habitats. I came across this fabulous idea and it struck me the first time i saw it.
It can house to about 20-30 residents which can be enginners, scientists or in a broader sense the initial workforce. Atmosphere generation and food productiona and power requirements are allready fulfilled in this habiatat. After the initial testing is done we can proceed to go the actual structure, what do you all think
I'm the member of Mars Society Poland and I'm designing my own habitat. You can see it at http://astrooman.fotosik.pl . The site is written in Polish, but now I'm prepearing an English verision. At the moment the hiabitat is not finished. I'm developing an ideas connected with solar panels at the moment. I'm solving problems with radiation and transporting the electricity, water, air and heat inside the habitat.
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